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[d7x]

Thought of this after watching Ufo's Seeing is Believe reported by Peter Jennings

Well for one, i do believe in them, i believe that aliens do exist somewhere in the universe, how can you think your all alone in space that goes on and goes on and goes on! There has to be other suns and other planets that have aliens or some other kinda of beings. And this brings up another question, what is beyond space, anything? another dimension? a blank place where you just float forever?

[Griffin]

I believe there are other life forms out there in the galaxy and in the rest of the universe. Our level of technology prohibits us from going out there and really searching for them, you can only see so much will a telescope....

[syntex]

I will always believe in aliens

[Jeepinator]

i believe there are other life forms...but wahts all this stuff about them HAVING to be more intellegent than us. couldnt they just be some weird animals ona far away planet. Discovery Channel had an amazing 3D thing on this called Alien Planet about these robots that explored a planet with life on it. things like dinosaurs and stuff.

[Griffin]

With how old the universe supposedly is, there could be worlds out there with life forms on there millions of years ahead of us, or some just begining to form...

[Jeepinator]

well im not an evolutionist so I really odnt believe the universe is 12 bazillion years old.

[Andy]

I believe that space never ends... because, what becomes of it? Just a huge wall to represent 'the end of space' - but.. what's behind that?

[d7x]

Andy, on Sep 11 2005, 02:04 PM, said:

I believe that space never ends... because, what becomes of it? Just a huge wall to represent 'the end of space' - but.. what's behind that?

Yea i believe that it never ends to, but what created it? how did it start?

[Griffin]

Well heres a couple links that i think are just interesting to read on that subject.

http://www.astronomy...ask/a11219.html
http://www.infidels.org/library/modern/the...ck/bigbang.html
http://www.fortuneci...6/big-bang.html

Thing is it kinda comes down to belief, i know some die hard churchgoers who believe in the big bang theory :-/

Ok well back to the Alien thing, they actually came up with an equation to figure out how many other civilizations of atleast our technology are most probably in this galaxy. That would be called the Drake Equation.

They estimate around 10,000 civilizations in the milkyway that are somewhere around our level of technology.

You can see some more information here about the equation.

http://www.setileagu...neral/drake.htm

But like i said before, we dont and probably wont for a long while have the technology to go out and explore other stars where life may be.

[Jeepinator]

Griffin, on Sep 11 2005, 10:14 AM, said:

Thing is it kinda comes down to belief, i know some die hard churchgoers who believe in the big bang theory :-/

All I have to say about this is that they are trying to believe in two things at one time. The big bang theory begins the theory of evolution. Creation doesn't involve a big bang. So these people are trying to fit into 2 different clubs that hate eachother. It just won't work out.

[Magnesium]

d7x, on Sep 11 2005, 02:24 PM, said:

Andy, on Sep 11 2005, 02:04 PM, said:

I believe that space never ends... because, what becomes of it? Just a huge wall to represent 'the end of space' - but.. what's behind that?

Yea i believe that it never ends to, but what created it? how did it start?

Ha, you'd both make good theoretical physicists! Or philosphers, although they get paid less.

In a way it does go on forever - it is continually expanding at an increasing rate, although it will likely end in 'the big rip' but not before our sun goes nova, our galaxy collides with andromeda in the most cataclysmic collision imaginable, both our galaxies are consumed by super-massive black holes and probably many more devastating events take place.

Yes, the universe is a far more interesting place than most care to realise, and I feel it naive of anyone to think it is anything short of impossible that there is not life on any planet other than our own.

/My two cents

[Av-]

people do not understand things like a universe that never stops and will never do. were just too simple minded. me myself im a christian, so i believe that god created everything. however i am curious where god came from...

Edited by Avalanche, 11 September 2005 - 11:31 AM.

[d7x]

yeah, sometimes i wonder if god is real, if theres a all knowning all seeing being, where did he come from? who created him, how does he get all these powers?

[Magnesium]

Avalanche, on Sep 11 2005, 04:30 PM, said:

however i am curious where god came from...

Finally a Christian that isn't afraid to ask that question! I went to a Catholic school and always found that question was great for winding up the nuns and RE teachers.
Although I am a very scientific person, I do believe in God - although I don't believe that God is necessarily the 'Alpha and Omega' of beings.

[Jaymz]

Please keep this a neutral and religion-free discussion

[Blitz]

If you're religious, then I think the answer is that God was always there.

On the subject of the universe, I think the big bang theory works for me. It leaves a lot of questions, but answers a lot too.

EDIT: Oh, didn't see Jaymz's post right before mine. Posted at the same time. Edited all that other religion stuff out.

Edited by Blitz, 11 September 2005 - 11:43 AM.

[Griffin]

I love topics like this, science and physics have always interested me.

Also you've probably heard somewhere along the lines that the visible universe only makes up around 10% of the universe, the rest is what scientists call black matter. Its said that if there is enough black matter in the universe to hold it together, the expansion of the universe will begin to slow and eventually begin to collapse, resulting in another Big bang. IF there isnt enough black matter, the universe will continue to expand. Now I wont go into specific religions because i dont want this to become and argument over whos right or wrong.

Heres and part of one of those pages i posted.

Saint Thomas's argument is this:


1. Everything is caused by something other than itself
2. Therefore the universe was caused by something other than itself.
3. The string of causes cannot be infinitely long.
4. If the string of causes cannot be infinitely long, there must be a first cause.
5. Therefore, there must be a first cause, namely god.

The most telling criticism of this argument is that it is self-refuting. If everything has a cause other than itself, then god must have a cause other than himself. But if god has a cause other than himself, he cannot be the first cause. So if the first premise is true, the conclusion must be false.

^ taken from http://www.infidels.org/library/modern/the...ck/bigbang.html

Now that still doesnt mean there isnt a supperior being which many refer to as "god". Superior to us could be just another civilization out in the universe hundreds or thousands of years ahead of us technology wise that planted "the seeds of life" on this planet which alowed us to evolve and be what we are today.

Now turning back towards the ET discussion ... Einstein said that it is impossible to travel at the speed of light. Now some scientists will say that because of that, no other life form could reach our solar system and we could never go to another. To go around this, you have worm holes (and to anyone that watched tv last night they had a program with Peter jennings about this subject). Worm holes form by "bending space". For example, draw do dots on a sheet of paper, normally the fastest way between to points is a straight line. Now bend that piece of paper so the 2 dots are right next to eachother, this is how a worm hole supposedly works. If we are not able to travel at the speed of light or faster, then hundreds or thousands of years from now we may be hopping around the galaxy through worm holes.

I had something else....but my mind went blank

[Xanderdude]

lol
nice theorie i was thinking of that to. I see this in the future: " Roadsign to Solarsystem 54 ^" .

Cya,
Xander

[jonno]

wow, this topic is pretty hardcore, now im not going to post anythingabout this because as thistopic goes on and on its getting more theological and complicated!!

Jonno

signing out.