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[BeaverElfeater]

do you guys kno any other sites like pixel2life, where you can submit tutorials and stuff?

[Dakota]

Ummmm here are a few not sure if 100% of them allow sumbits but most of em do.

http://thedesignerslounge.net/ (my site )
http://tutorialkit.com/
http://www.tutorialman.com/
http://www.unlimit-3d.com/
http://www.tutorialpod.com/
http://www.tutorialguide.net/
http://www.newtutorials.com/
http://good-tutorials.com/
http://spoono.com/ (Will allow submission soon)

[Jamie Huskisson]

Dakota, on Jan 6 2006, 07:58 PM, said:

http://spoono.com/ (Will allow submission soon)

They will? Where did you hear/read that?

[Donna]

BeaverElfeater, on Jan 5 2006, 04:02 AM, said:

do you guys kno any other sites like pixel2life, where you can submit tutorials and stuff?

I know all of them, gotta love the ones whom come here and help themselves to P2L Index and Good-Tutorials Index, and its easy to tell as they have identical tutorial images, everyone forgets are covered by copyrights.

In my opinion they are nothing but copycats, and then theres the big corporate sites adding the full tutorials images the lot all you get is a tiny link to your site, and I sincerely despise these places that have your site in iframes sorry but this is a very sore subject with me.

There is only 2 sites on the web that will bring you good traffic and this is one besides GT, the rest are not worth submitting to.

[Dakota]

Jay, on Jan 6 2006, 08:26 PM, said:

Dakota, on Jan 6 2006, 07:58 PM, said:

http://spoono.com/ (Will allow submission soon)

They will? Where did you hear/read that?

I got that impression from their poll:

Q: "What are you looking forward to most at Spoono this year?"

Poll Answers:
- Spoono v5 Design
- Spoono's Olympic Debut
- User Submitable Tutorial Engine
- Reseller Hosting Accounts

[Jamie Huskisson]

lol lovely, another competitor that doesn't want to invest the time.. but wants the traffic

[Dakota]

Donna, on Jan 6 2006, 08:40 PM, said:

BeaverElfeater, on Jan 5 2006, 04:02 AM, said:

do you guys kno any other sites like pixel2life, where you can submit tutorials and stuff?

I know all of them, gotta love the ones whom come here and help themselves to P2L Index and Good-Tutorials Index, and its easy to tell as they have identical tutorial images, everyone forgets are covered by copyrights.

In my opinion they are nothing but copycats, and then theres the big corporate sites adding the full tutorials images the lot all you get is a tiny link to your site, and I sincerely despise these places that have your site in iframes sorry but this is a very sore subject with me.

There is only 2 sites on the web that will bring you good traffic and this is one besides GT, the rest are not worth submitting to.

heh, that sounds kinda biased to me.

I believe all sites have just as good a chance of becoming as big as P2L and GT if the person/persons running the site know what they are doing.

Although I also believe the reason P2L and GT are the two most widely known is due to their coding and designs.
For example there are many sites that allow user submitted tutorials but not many with the thumbnail option P2L and GT both have and other small things that make a difference like that.

I assume you are talking about the thumbnail images being stolen from P2L and if so yes that's true and I do agree with that part of it and I think that is very unprofessional and pretty low as well.

As for the iframe thing I can understand both sides. But personally I think the iframes are bad as well, all though doesn't Good-Tutorials use an iframe that you can close?

But the biased comment to me was about how you said GT and P2L are the only sites worth submitting to, kinda like how nationalist would say america is the best but if he lived in germany he would say germany is the best kinda thing.

I think there are other sites out there worth submitting to, for example tutorialkit, they are owned by TemplateMonster according to the contact who emailed me asking some permissions but all together I think some will in the end fail and others will rise, thats how things work. Im not saying anything specific to these two just in general.

Just my personally view, I understand yours was your own opinion as well.

[Dakota]

Jay, on Jan 6 2006, 08:58 PM, said:

lol lovely, another competitor that doesn't want to invest the time.. but wants the traffic

lol, most sites do want the traffic eh? Im sure at one time P2L did too, probably still does deep down inside

But then again the majority of time invested goes into the coding/ design then the rest into bug checking and then on into validating and moderating no? Occasionally updating as well, and knowing Spoono im sure they will do just that.

But Im also not taking anysides here, just playing a devils advocate kinda of role, seeing as how I love a bunch of sites with no special favorites (unless of course we're talking about Zymic, then I'll side against them )

[Donna]

Dakota

It might read that way but if you saw my web stats and how many of these places I see, and I know 100% fact they are coming here or GT and removing the image icons, I only submit tutorials to two sites, now no one can tell me they can magically do identical images. So yes its not only unprofessional in what they are doing but it totally sucks. We are doing all the hard background work while they just pop along and take whatever they want.

GT does not use frames, what I meant by that is these Iframes with advertisements in them, if you have ads running on your site and some other site has their ads in iframes guess whom is getting the revenue? Its not you.

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I think there are other sites out there worth submitting to, for example tutorialkit, they are owned by TemplateMonster according to the contact who emailed me asking some permissions but all together I think some will in the end fail and others will rise, that's how things work. Im not saying anything specific to these two just in general.

Your kidding me I hope

[Dakota]

Donna, on Jan 6 2006, 09:13 PM, said:

Dakota

It might read that way but if you saw my web stats and how many of these places I see, and I know 100% fact they are coming here or GT and removing the image icons, I only submit tutorials to two sites, now no one can tell me they can magically do identical images. So yes its not only unprofessional in what they are doing but it totally sucks. We are doing all the hard background work while they just pop along and take whatever they want.

GT does not use frames, what I meant by that is these Iframes with advertisements in them, if you have ads running on your site and some other site has their ads in iframes guess whom is getting the revenue? Its not you.

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I think there are other sites out there worth submitting to, for example tutorialkit, they are owned by TemplateMonster according to the contact who emailed me asking some permissions but all together I think some will in the end fail and others will rise, that's how things work. Im not saying anything specific to these two just in general.

Your kidding me I hope

I've seen P2L webstats and cant say I can compare but I know there are other good communities out there as well, like for example when Spoono gets there stuff together I think they'll generate some good stats with there program seeing as how they get nice traffic as it is already.

Ahh yes, I understand that, yeah that isnt right that they make money off work that isnt theres and I completely understand your view.

Not at all, with my example TutorialKit, I know they arent as good for your site like P2L or GT are now, but they also just recently opened and have big competitors to deal with. I think that with time they'll become better and become worth it to submit to, maybe I worded that wrong to start off with, if so I aplogize.

As for the sites dying out thing, Im sure that will happen to, people get older, get other interests, families, money issues, etc. And typically the sites they run die out slowly if not from hosting termination. Am I saying that P2L or GT are some of these sites? No not at all, but im not saying there immune from that fate either, anything is possible.

Personaly I believe that Faken, before quiting on the site would pass it on to a staff member who could put time into it like you and Jay, donna, and I think one thing that seperates this site from the rest is the apparent bond between staff that would allow that to happen. Because without staff like that the site isnt anything..

Well you get the idea lol, once again just my opinions

[Sicloan]

For SEO reasons I do not allow my tutorials on sites such as Tutorial Monster or whatever. They are thieves, stealing your content and adding thier advertisements. Its downright wrong.

Frames tutorial listings are just the same, although I have found away around it with a bit of javascript. Sure thier heading loads first but as soon as my site starts loading it pops into the page frame and all is good again.

<script type="text/javascript">
<!--
if (parent.frames.length > 0)
{
parent.location.href = location.href;
}
--> 
</script>

[Faken]

Teehee... this thread is kinda funny. If you want a run a site this size, get ready for literally thousands of hours of work. I work about 40 to 60 hours a week on P2L to keep it going and plan new projects and have to make tons of sacrifices... I had to give up my gym time, game playing and basically all my spare time goes to this site. Once my family is in bed, I am up all hours approving tutorials, answering emails etc...

Unless you donate pretty much a full time job's worth of hours and surround yourself with the right people, plus have a little luck, you'll just be another copy that doesn't really go anywhere.

The reason why so many sites die out is because they go to sites like P2L or GT and basically rip off our database of tutorials. They get real huge then suddenly are overcome with the shere volume of maintenance it takes to keep your database from going right down the shitter. They are forced to close because they can't keep up.

Even templatemonster's free tutorial listing site has been caught with tutorials they were not allowed to list or duplicate... There are only a handful of sites that do it ethically... the rest just copy other large sites. "Just starting" it no excuse. When I started out, I asked permission to each and every webmaster I listed and nothing was on this site without their OK.

P2L is big because of dedication. Period. Most ppl simply don't have the ability to do the same and see things through, and that is why, like any other large project, fails.

As for my involvement, it will be increasing significantly over time and as it has been for 12 years, I will be helping people learn on the net. In fact, P2L is in it's infancy as far as I'm concerned.

Faken

[Donna]

Dakota my experience of Template Monster tutorial sites and they have a few floating around on the web.

When they originally started they were submitting tutorials to P2L and GT they gained a lot of traffic, from there they started contacting webmasters like yourself and I dunno how many emails I have received from these guys now, but I had a problem with them and found tuts from my site posted not submitted from me nor my staff, they tell me their traffic etc well that traffic was coming from here and GT the very first site they had up was full tutorials images text everything hosted on their site with a very tiny url to the original site only displayed on the very first page. Then I think from memory I noticed they were submitting tutorials here that we already had in the database that original authors had already submitted so I let Dan know and pointed out a few to him.

I have had emails from tutorialkit they asked if they could add my tutorials, but I do give them credit for at least linking directly to the actual sites even though they keep them in frames.

We all want traffic to our sites but I prefer genuine traffic.

As for the staff here we are all very dedicated to what we do for P2L

Anyways end of my rant.

Edit:

quoted from Faken:

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Even templatemonster's free tutorial listing site has been caught with tutorials they were not allowed to list or duplicate... There are only a handful of sites that do it ethically... the rest just copy other large sites. "Just starting" it no excuse. When I started out, I asked permission to each and every webmaster I listed and nothing was on this site without their OK.

And that he did, and I highly respect P2L for that as no one else even bothers.

And there are tutorials submitted here on P2L from different webmasters I have contacted that I have written permission to submit to this site and this site only but here I see they are on other tutorial sites, I do speak to these people quite frequently I know they don't allow permission for their listings to be on other sites and I know they haven't submitted them, so if you are one of those webmasters freely helping yourselves think twice.

Edited by Donna, 06 January 2006 - 05:24 PM.

[Ghost]

Dakota, on Jan 7 2006, 08:03 AM, said:

heh, that sounds kinda biased to me.

I believe all sites have just as good a chance of becoming as big as P2L and GT if the person/persons running the site know what they are doing.

You have an idea, but that probably wont happen. There are some upcoming tutorial indexing sites, but 99% of them will be forgotten by next year...I've looked around at other sites like these and asked myself if it was really worth the time to submit tutorials to get a few hits from them...

Myself and others have come across tutorial sites like P2L and have found tutorials added by the owner of the site without asking permission from myself. If thats the way they wanna play, then it's sites like that which will die off early...and P2L or G-T dont do it like that.

The person who runs the site has a major role in it's successfulness, but even if you get a fantastic owner on another site, then it will almost be impossible to catch up to P2L or G-T. We have 15,000+ tutorials added into our database for almost every category possible...why would anyone else go anywhere else? P2L offer hundreds to thousands of views for each of their tutorials and other small sites might offer maybe 10 or 20 depending on their daily traffic.

So I'm not being biassed in saying that I only submit my tutorials to P2L and G-T..that's just the way it should be I guess

[SKETCHi]

I only use Pixel2Life and Good-Tutorials. When I first started out, I submitted my tutorials everywhere... now I don't even bother with the others.

Oh and Donna, I 100% agree with you about the frames. That pisses me off more than anything else. Thank god Zach (Good-Tutorials) took the frames off for this version. I actually added a break out of frames script to my site for a while because of it.

Also, there is a possibility that one of these sites may rise up to rival P2L and GT. If there is one or more, congratulations to them. They will probably deserve it, it isn't easy running a website.

[Dakota]

Faken, on Jan 6 2006, 09:45 PM, said:

Teehee... this thread is kinda funny. If you want a run a site this size, get ready for literally thousands of hours of work. I work about 40 to 60 hours a week on P2L to keep it going and plan new projects and have to make tons of sacrifices... I had to give up my gym time, game playing and basically all my spare time goes to this site. Once my family is in bed, I am up all hours approving tutorials, answering emails etc...

Unless you donate pretty much a full time job's worth of hours and surround yourself with the right people, plus have a little luck, you'll just be another copy that doesn't really go anywhere.

The reason why so many sites die out is because they go to sites like P2L or GT and basically rip off our database of tutorials. They get real huge then suddenly are overcome with the shere volume of maintenance it takes to keep your database from going right down the shitter. They are forced to close because they can't keep up.

Even templatemonster's free tutorial listing site has been caught with tutorials they were not allowed to list or duplicate... There are only a handful of sites that do it ethically... the rest just copy other large sites. "Just starting" it no excuse. When I started out, I asked permission to each and every webmaster I listed and nothing was on this site without their OK.

P2L is big because of dedication. Period. Most ppl simply don't have the ability to do the same and see things through, and that is why, like any other large project, fails.

As for my involvement, it will be increasing significantly over time and as it has been for 12 years, I will be helping people learn on the net. In fact, P2L is in it's infancy as far as I'm concerned.

Faken

Im sure that quite a lot of time goes into validating tutorials, which is more tedious than anything else I'd assume, I personally wouldnt know though first hand and dont want to give off that impression. Dont get me wrong I respect you and your staff tremendously and this is an awesome site and very well managed. I dont know what goes on behind the scenes really and am working off of what I know from my expierence talking to people and this is really my first chat with you guys. (cool!)

About the sites dying out, thats like a few reasons I listed, but I never said P2L fell under that category, in fact, I remember complimenting your staff on how much of a nice job they do! But im just saying sites do die out and I think thats covered. Im sure hours of coding and designing and moderating and validating went into and are still going into this site I never doubted that, I think I just may be unaware of the sheer quantity and numbers you guys deal with..

As for the tutorial listing stuff, I would think it'd be hard to keep up with making sure every tutorial is ok, but I do know that you check in fact I remember seeing a post of yours on a forum saying that one tutorial was a rip and I was like "Wow they actually check everyting?" So im not doubting that either, since I've seen an example or two of that firsthand, and that must take some time as well. You're right there shouldnt be any excuses but they are and thats another thing that seperates P2L from the rest.

And as for hearing about your time invested I respect you for how much time and effort you put forth and am glad to hear you say this site is still in its infancy because its hard to imagine it getting better.

[Dakota]

Donna, on Jan 6 2006, 09:53 PM, said:

Dakota my experience of Template Monster tutorial sites and they have a few floating around on the web.

When they originally started they were submitting tutorials to P2L and GT they gained a lot of traffic, from there they started contacting webmasters like yourself and I dunno how many emails I have received from these guys now, but I had a problem with them and found tuts from my site posted not submitted from me nor my staff, they tell me their traffic etc well that traffic was coming from here and GT the very first site they had up was full tutorials images text everything hosted on their site with a very tiny url to the original site only displayed on the very first page. Then I think from memory I noticed they were submitting tutorials here that we already had in the database that original authors had already submitted so I let Dan know and pointed out a few to him.

I have had emails from tutorialkit they asked if they could add my tutorials, but I do give them credit for at least linking directly to the actual sites even though they keep them in frames.

We all want traffic to our sites but I prefer genuine traffic.

As for the staff here we are all very dedicated to what we do for P2L

Anyways end of my rant.

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quoted from Faken:

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Even templatemonster's free tutorial listing site has been caught with tutorials they were not allowed to list or duplicate... There are only a handful of sites that do it ethically... the rest just copy other large sites. "Just starting" it no excuse. When I started out, I asked permission to each and every webmaster I listed and nothing was on this site without their OK.

And that he did, and I highly respect P2L for that as no one else even bothers.

And there are tutorials submitted here on P2L from different webmasters I have contacted that I have written permission to submit to this site and this site only but here I see they are on other tutorial sites, I do speak to these people quite frequently I know they don't allow permission for their listings to be on other sites and I know they haven't submitted them, so if you are one of those webmasters freely helping yourselves think twice.

About the Template Monster thing, I didn't know that about them and am sorry for pressing that. Thanks for the info though!

I also understand about the traffic situation and respect that way of looking at it. Its very.. honest in a way.

As for the premission thing I respect that too, that to is very cool and a great thing you guys and girls do. Im not trying to bash anybody here in fact im learning alot about the site that I didnt know through these replies and its very cool as well lol

[Dakota]

Ghost, on Jan 6 2006, 10:40 PM, said:

Dakota, on Jan 7 2006, 08:03 AM, said:

heh, that sounds kinda biased to me.

I believe all sites have just as good a chance of becoming as big as P2L and GT if the person/persons running the site know what they are doing.

You have an idea, but that probably wont happen. There are some upcoming tutorial indexing sites, but 99% of them will be forgotten by next year...I've looked around at other sites like these and asked myself if it was really worth the time to submit tutorials to get a few hits from them...

Myself and others have come across tutorial sites like P2L and have found tutorials added by the owner of the site without asking permission from myself. If thats the way they wanna play, then it's sites like that which will die off early...and P2L or G-T dont do it like that.

The person who runs the site has a major role in it's successfulness, but even if you get a fantastic owner on another site, then it will almost be impossible to catch up to P2L or G-T. We have 15,000+ tutorials added into our database for almost every category possible...why would anyone else go anywhere else? P2L offer hundreds to thousands of views for each of their tutorials and other small sites might offer maybe 10 or 20 depending on their daily traffic.

So I'm not being biassed in saying that I only submit my tutorials to P2L and G-T..that's just the way it should be I guess

its an idea, and thats all I meant for it to be really, a way of thinking. And im sure many sites will come and go, but in theory more will come and some will end up staying, its that American capitalist spirit I got going here, no monopolies lol.

I never said this wasnt an amazing site to submit to but I do know that it shouldnt be the only one, or else they'd have a law saying "Only submit internet tutorials to these 2 sites or be fined" But i am saying that if you are tyring to get your tuts out there, and know a good honest place to do it (besides P2L or GT) than why shouldnt you?

Of course on the other hand how many of those sites are there?

Just playing my devils advocate role again, keep in mind that I am a major fan of P2L and even take part in the ad program.

[Dakota]

SKETCHi, on Jan 6 2006, 11:02 PM, said:

I only use Pixel2Life and Good-Tutorials. When I first started out, I submitted my tutorials everywhere... now I don't even bother with the others.

Oh and Donna, I 100% agree with you about the frames. That pisses me off more than anything else. Thank god Zach (Good-Tutorials) took the frames off for this version. I actually added a break out of frames script to my site for a while because of it.

Also, there is a possibility that one of these sites may rise up to rival P2L and GT. If there is one or more, congratulations to them. They will probably deserve it, it isn't easy running a website.

Well I understand that when you first start our you're desperate for traffic no? So when you finally got that traffic and got P2L to let you list your tuts and generated more you didnt see a need for the smaller ones right? Thats you choice so thats perfectly fine and understandable.

About the possiblity thing, thats all im trying to say