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[Donna]

I'm not posting the article in full you'll have to go to the site to read, posting this up as I see so much of this happen all over the place and it happens daily.

Enjoy the read and don't be mislead or fooled by people, although there are genuine folks around there's also some great scammers.

http://www.paintercr...op-10-lies.html

[Bug]

That's really great, Donna! I'm not in a Business of such case yet but it will definately be helpful when I am. Thank you so much for finding that!

Just out of question, has any of this stuff happened to anyone here before? Please don't feel that you have to answer that if it's more confidential type of stuff, if you get what I mean.

[cheerio]

I'm such a noob I got pwned by this article in so many ways

[Donna]

Bug, on Oct 2 2006, 03:03 PM, said:

That's really great, Donna! I'm not in a Business of such case yet but it will definately be helpful when I am. Thank you so much for finding that!

Just out of question, has any of this stuff happened to anyone here before? Please don't feel that you have to answer that if it's more confidential type of stuff, if you get what I mean.

We have had it happen here yes, I cannot disclose any names but the member is permantly banned from this site.

We cannot do much here except ban them, if any member does fall into any scams being ripped off just send a message to either Faken or myself and we'll remove their topics and posting abilities.

On big sites such as Sitepoint you can contact the Admins/Site Management and they will look into it, they cannot advise you legally but if a member is scamming members and such they will ban them. I had one fruit loop removed from there.

[Davey]

it's purely common sense really... good for those who are easily mislead though i guess

[FuzzMop]

I hate scammers... they're basicly stealing from the person and not making it seem that way. Once they get hands on your work without paying, or saying one of those craplines above (craplines as in lies; JimBob pays me $77, you're paying me $77.01! GOSH), then they're probably gonna use it even though they didn't pay for it. Meanies T_T

[lipsum1992]

Kind of obvious your getting scammed sometimes, but still a useful list. Just do what my mate does and take a deposit, make the design, sohw them it, then take the full money. That way even if they scam you, you get some money from it.

[Donna]

lipsum1992, on Oct 3 2006, 04:40 AM, said:

Kind of obvious your getting scammed sometimes, but still a useful list. Just do what my mate does and take a deposit, make the design, sohw them it, then take the full money. That way even if they scam you, you get some money from it.

Yes and no, sometimes it is sometimes not, some just want to see the general concept and the bigger the Company the more they'll easily get away with it and before you even know what's hit you, because not too many will challenge them.

My fav from that list is:

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4 On looking at sketches or concepts: "Well, we aren't sure if we want to use you yet, but leave your material here so I can talk to my partner/investor/wife/clergy."

That happened to one of my members and his concept was used he's now suing American Express, Digitas and Ogilvy. It was all over the news a few weeks ago.

Another great example is logo competitions, you enter your design and someone reading will take that design concept and use it elsewhere and you have no clue because by the time you find out it has a trademark on it.

[Davey]

regardless of how reputable the company is, doing that is clearly silly (leaving ur work there)

[Donna]

Davey, on Oct 3 2006, 05:21 AM, said:

regardless of how reputable the company is, doing that is clearly silly (leaving ur work there)

If your employed with a Company and they ask you to do a draft you give it to them if you want to keep your job, you cannot say to your boss pay me half before you see it. There is a lot of different circumstances.

[cheerio]

I never got paid for 2 things. Yourbebo.com and this clan template that I coded. I'm such a fool..and I don't know what to do. The yourbebo.com guy was a formal client with me before and he paid me the first time but not the second. The other guy had a "family emergency" and i assume he blocked me

I'm an idiot :'(

[FuzzMop]

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I'm an idiot :'(

Nah, the people that *stole* (which is breaking the law, btw) your work are the idiots. If they didn't have the time/smarts to make their own code/style then obviously they need to learn how. I'd pay good money, if I didn't know how to code, because if I didn't; the word would go around that I scammed a designer, and none of them would take my application.

[Stu]

Donna, on Oct 2 2006, 05:39 PM, said:

Davey, on Oct 3 2006, 05:21 AM, said:

regardless of how reputable the company is, doing that is clearly silly (leaving ur work there)

If your employed with a Company and they ask you to do a draft you give it to them if you want to keep your job, you cannot say to your boss pay me half before you see it. There is a lot of different circumstances.

if youre employed full time by a design firm your contract could quite possibly say something along the lines of 'all work produced by you while under our employment will remain property of XXXX', so if you do a concept then they sack you, you will have to drop everything then and there and its tough shite i guess

edit: oh well, thats completely irrelevant, ive just read the article

Edited by Stu, 04 October 2006 - 02:46 AM.

[fanzi]

very informative

[Trix06]

Very nice article you have found Donna, printed last night and read it before bed LOL

[ChrisGilmore]

Nice article, may use it for future :-)

[Tirus]

good article, im already familiar with most of it.

its funny how one second your client wants to kiss you for working miracles on their website and the next they are stone-cold when you mention the fee to pay...ALWAYS take a deposit, as well as regular payments if the job is quite large/lengthy.

[purity]

Hay thanks heaps for posting this artitle Danna it opened my eyes to some things i should look out for in the future. Also can anyone help me with how much we/I should charge for an upfront payment before work starts? and/or what time if good to put this fee in action?

Edited by purity, 11 October 2006 - 12:16 AM.

[α∂αмяoss]

"We never pay a cent until we see the final product."
Heh, i've had that said to me too many times by clients. I just tell them 'Deal off, tough luck' unless they pay a deposit.

"We are having financial problems. Give us the work, we'll make some money and we'll pay you. Simple."
Same as above. I really want to smakc them around the face when they say this. Why buy something when you dont have the money?

They are the two most common ones for me