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[Faken]

So how does everyone feel about this Nuclear Weapon deal with NK? Looks like Bush is getting his hand forced into something rash if you ask me. Overall it's pretty spooky, what do you guys think? Keep it civil.

Dan

[Av-]

Yea, i heard, all the eyes are looking at china atm, if they break the alliance with north-korea, they are screwed, n-korea is nothing on their own.

[.iCY7.]

whats this all about?

[Matthew.]

hellzdev you are kidding?

http://news.bbc.co.u...fic/6038490.stm

Avalanche has got it in 1, all eyes on China. They could do anything at this point, they are in a position to stop N.Korea by withdrawing the the milatry alliance or cutting off oil etc, anything that can pull down Korea economically should be done.

[.iCY7.]

sorry i dont check out the news much unless its local, sounds like something could go wrong

[Dance]

First of all noone knows if it realy was a nuke, not the slightest amount of radioaktivity have been detected in the atmosphere as one should expect (last time i cheaked the news). However if it is so that Lill Kim got his hands on nukes it wouldnt realy matter unless somone tried to invade NK as they havnt got rockets to launch it with. That one thay tried to demonstrate some monthes ago even crashed and i bet some Nkorean lost his head over that. However the biggest consern from my point of view is the regional stability, as NK got nukes Japan, Taiwan, Singapore and others may develop nukes and spend more money on thair military that could have helped the industrial development of the region. Lill Kim may be a crazy midget but he aint dumb noone wants to mess with a nukelar power millitary. This is meerly a display to keep the US out and its fair in my eyes seeing that they also have nukes. And if you look back on history, who used em the most? And who started the most wars? So far even my countryman Hans Blix have yet sent Lill Kim a angry letter.

[Faken]

I'm thinking it's all bravado to be honest... I don't think they successfully tested anything that has to do with a nuclear blast. Either way, Chine won't completely sever ties... for example, they would NEVER support an american invasion of NK.

Dan

[EAXT]

OK.. this one is a tough one.

Being already isolated from the rest of the world, North Korea has just prooved that they are not able to re-open discussions again.

Even if the test is not true or anything, they've lost China's support and this is a BIG advantage to western civilizations. With the support of China and Japan, US might push toward bigger sanction (now, I'm not talking of military sanctions... yet).

The only problem here is that Japan and South Korea have already imposed economic and diplomatic sanctions... the only other thing I see here is a possible closure of all economic activities by setting up a naval wall with the Japanese Navy.

And like usual... it's the civilian who will pay the price..

btw dan, south korea too has rejected an invasion.. and.. with Bush's administration, US would never get enough political support for that lol... so yup, you're tottaly right on this one!

Edited by EAXT, 10 October 2006 - 06:14 PM.

[ktd]

All I can say, I'm pretty pissed off that I renlisted for 6 years.

Edited by kevthedude, 10 October 2006 - 07:33 PM.

[EAXT]

ok..... good luck bro...

[Illinifan91]

this dude is a crazy midget (no offense to anyone short or crazy) but id ont know what to do , we could nuke them (:

[Stu]

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They could do anything at this point, they are in a position to stop N.Korea by withdrawing the the milatry alliance or cutting off oil etc, anything that can pull down Korea economically should be done.

the only problem is, the price to pay for pulling down north korea economically through cutting aid, will be a substantial loss of life. in short, kim does not give a crap about his people, which he has shown in the past letting millions starve whilst spending western aid on developing nuclear weapons.

it is kind of a catch 22 - give them money and they spend it on nukes and people keep dying from starvation, dont give them money and people keep dying from starvation.

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First of all noone knows if it realy was a nuke, not the slightest amount of radioaktivity have been detected in the atmosphere as one should expect (last time i cheaked the news).

this is because none of it leaked, they claim.

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However if it is so that Lill Kim got his hands on nukes it wouldnt realy matter unless somone tried to invade NK as they havnt got rockets to launch it with. That one thay tried to demonstrate some monthes ago even crashed and i bet some Nkorean lost his head over that.

true, im not sure how long they are from having a deliverable for them, but it cant be too long. they have the nukes so thats the hard part over for them.

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However the biggest consern from my point of view is the regional stability, as NK got nukes Japan, Taiwan, Singapore and others may develop nukes and spend more money on thair military that could have helped the industrial development of the region.

japan have already stated they have no interest in aquiring nuclear weapons and not all these other countries are run by stalinist midgets, but apart from that point taken i think this should be left for china to take the lead and apply pressure on NK. if thier only allies removed support for them they may crack.

its not only regional stability that is worrying though, as what message does this softly softly approach - so far - send out to other unstable countries run by madmen *cough iran cough* over developing nuclear weapons? and what happens when these arseholes decides to sell the technology to terrorist cells and the like? these people are not rational, and this worries me more than countries like singapore and thailand having nukes.

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Lill Kim may be a crazy midget but he aint dumb noone wants to mess with a nukelar power millitary. This is meerly a display to keep the US out and its fair in my eyes seeing that they also have nukes. And if you look back on history, who used em the most? And who started the most wars? So far even my countryman Hans Blix have yet sent Lill Kim a angry letter.

sorry but i dont believe the 'you have them why cant we' and 'who used them first' arguments wash at all.

america, uk, russia, india etc - although debatable - are not run by an irrational lunatic guilty of genocide, korea is. saying korea should be allowed them cus others have them is a bit like saying hitler should have been allowed nukes because america did, isnt it? can you imagine how fun that would have been? and also iran - who have openly admitted they wish to wipe israel off the face of the planet - should be allowed them as well, simply cus other countries do.

nope, im afraid i will never be under the opinon that unstable countries like north korea/iran etc should be allowed this kind of technology. it is not safe in thier hands.

what has america using a nuclear weapon first got to do with anything? i was first to 'use' my girlfriend, does that mean i should give all my mates the chance to have a pop later, no matter how much mayhem will come from it?

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Well, being a Korean who supports reunification, I don't exactly support this whole "nuke" idea thing. It wasn't the best method, and I sure as hell hope there's no war, but the U.S. is being pretty aggressive, and this is just a sign that says, "Leave me alone." Which the U.S. should take. It's pure idiocity to start a war with someone over something you have tons more of.

are you actually in korea? i can imagine things are getting pretty tense over there.
i think youre pretty much right in saying it is a deterrant and to ensure thier exsistance, and i dont think they will use them as they know once they do they will... erm... no longer exist. so if that was the only issue id say 'fair enough i suppose'.
but a poor country like korea could sell this technology for aloooooot of money...



just an update for anyone not following the news, korea have apparently conducted a second test this morning according to japanese newspapers. another similar tremor was detected. US and Japan have played it down though.
also condeleeza rice was on sky news this morning pretty much ruling out military action in north korea.
methinks its because thier 300,000 strong army is 1)tied up in the mid east/afghanistan and 2)they couldnt take on the largest standing army in the world (north korea - who now have nukes too)

[Donna]

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just an update for anyone not following the news, korea have apparently conducted a second test this morning according to japanese newspapers. another similar tremor was detected. US and Japan have played it down though.

They're saying that this occurrence may be related to an earthquake in northern Japan, but who knows.


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As for this North Korea nuke thing, don't matter what any of us say we are nobody and Governments don't listen to little people and their fears.

I hate anything to do with wars and politics and this is probably where this will all lead and again none of us have a say in what will happen it's beyond us all we can have is opinions.

[Stu]

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As for this North Korea nuke thing, don't matter what any of us say we are nobody and Governments don't listen to little people and their fears.

I hate anything to do with wars and politics and this is probably where this will all lead and again none of us have a say in what will happen it's beyond us all we can have is opinions.

its still nice to have a debate about things like this once in a while though... to see what everyone else is thinking and all that.

[Mr. Matt]

the sad thing is that everyone is telling NK they can't have nukes, that sadam couldn't have 'WMD', but the USA and UK and other countries will have nukes and WMD's stashed away, so do they really expect NK to not develop them when other countries have been allowed to develop them and have nukes ready?

Its just one big circle which will never end, and one day some happy leader will push the button and good bye world.

Matt

[Donna]

Stu, on Oct 11 2006, 07:54 PM, said:

its still nice to have a debate about things like this once in a while though... to see what everyone else is thinking and all that.

I was referring to off the internet meaning to all these so called leaders that control us all.

[Stu]

the threat of a nuclear north korea is very real. its not about fairness or sharing or anything like that, its about the survival of our race

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america, uk, russia, india etc - although debatable - are not run by an irrational lunatic guilty of genocide, korea is. saying korea should be allowed them cus others have them is a bit like saying hitler should have been allowed nukes because america did, isnt it? can you imagine how fun that would have been? and also iran - who have openly admitted they wish to wipe israel off the face of the planet - should be allowed them as well, simply cus other countries do.

Donna, on Oct 11 2006, 08:02 AM, said:

Stu, on Oct 11 2006, 07:54 PM, said:

its still nice to have a debate about things like this once in a while though... to see what everyone else is thinking and all that.

I was referring to off the internet meaning to all these so called leaders that control us all.

huh?

[Mr. Matt]

NK has said that it will continue to test more if the USA doesn't treat NK better. And if the USA didn't treat NK better they will see it as an act of war.

*hears the music from jaws*

[Stu]

Mr. Matt, on Oct 11 2006, 11:42 AM, said:

NK has said that it will continue to test more if the USA doesn't treat NK better. And if the USA didn't treat NK better they will see it as an act of war.

*hears the music from jaws*

aid sent to north korea. aid money spent on nuclear weapons program. ask for more aid money. once again spent on nuclear weapon development. million people starve. ask for more aid money. aid given. once again spent on weapons. ask for more aid, us refuses. north korea cry. north korea threaten US with nuclear tests if aid does not continue. US stands thier ground. north korea carry out tests. ask for more aid and to be treated better by the US after defying the wishes of the international community not to carry out tests.

bloody idiots.

i feel for the US, they cant win whatever they do. if they do nothing there is outcry because they have not done enough, and if they intervene there is outcry because once again theyre picking on poor old defensless countries (that have nukes) again.

[Mr. Matt]

simple solution, put the secret service, sas, mi5, mi6, just someone to go into NK and quickly remove the powers that be. That was all that was needed in Iraq, not a full scale war.

Matt