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[Dance]

I wanted to try do do a serious atempt at retouching a face photo. I grabbed the most unflattering image i could find of a friend in his... Before his prime and worked away. People with more experience in photo retouching and everyone else feel free to drop in comments and critique if you find that there are errors in my technique or something in the image thats out of place because i learned this from no one. I tried to maintain his skin "natural" without smooting it out and keep a natural but without acne look.

Images about a megabyte each,
Before:
http://img300.imageshack.us/img300/717/acn...horginalzf9.jpg

After:
http://img300.images...neretuchaa7.jpg

[Nforce]

very nice good job. very professional looking.

-Mark

[wm.AngelEyes]

hmm, don't realy know why u posted this ?.
it's nothing amazing at all,
everybody knows healing brush and stamp tool :S,
but ehm guesse it's okay brushed :S

[Dance]

I promise there is more to it then just the healing brush and the pattern stamp.
Its aprox 20 layers of work and its most manual brushing with the paintbrush. The pattern stamp is infact not used at all.

[Bug]

O mi gosh that is an incredible outcome!! I'd hire you any day

[wm.AngelEyes]

Dance, on Mar 19 2007, 09:36 AM, said:

I promise there is more to it then just the healing brush and the pattern stamp.
Its aprox 20 layers of work and its most manual brushing with the paintbrush. The pattern stamp is infact not used at all.

i just made this,
2 layers, 5 min.
i think u made it hard for youself mann !

[Dance]

Angle eyes, whats the point?

Take a good look at your work, 100% size, put it side by side with mine 100% size. When shooting trough it in 5 minutes you have,

no sharp texture on the left cheek, it looks like a total blur (BIG issue, and one i found it took time to resolve fully). The acne isnt even fully removed, his skin has a nasty orange color, the skin imperfections especialy on the right cheek and under the right eye isnt removed/reduced to a healthy looking level, the sickly looking unsaturated area around his left eye is still there, his eyes are unedited (more then just the red eye).

Shure you dont see all that kinds of stuff when you are zoomed out, but what iv tried to do is to create something with the quality to work still in large size. Shure taking a 2nd look at it today i see issues in my version to, odd black texture overlap at the middle of the left cheek, chin shadow have accedently receved a odd shadow. and the highlighted smile lines on the right cheek and under the lip could use some more texture.

No need for the angry posting AA, i dont post my stuff here if i dont think its worth posting.

@Nforce and bug, thx guys!

Edited by Dance, 19 March 2007 - 12:02 PM.

[N4Z.]

Kinda with Angel Eyes here..

Big fuss over nothing imo..

Great outcome, but easy to do anyway. I give Angel his point.

[wm.AngelEyes]

Dance, on Mar 19 2007, 05:59 PM, said:

Angle eyes, whats the point?

Take a good look at your work, 100% size, put it side by side with mine 100% size. When shooting trough it in 5 minutes you have,

no sharp texture on the left cheek, it looks like a total blur (BIG issue, and one i found it took time to resolve fully). The acne isnt even fully removed, his skin has a nasty orange color, the skin imperfections especialy on the right cheek and under the right eye isnt removed/reduced to a healthy looking level, the sickly looking unsaturated area around his left eye is still there, his eyes are unedited (more then just the red eye).

Shure you dont see all that kinds of stuff when you are zoomed out, but what iv tried to do is to create something with the quality to work still in large size. Shure taking a 2nd look at it today i see issues in my version to, odd black texture overlap at the middle of the left cheek, chin shadow have accedently receved a odd shadow. and the highlighted smile lines on the right cheek and under the lip could use some more texture.

No need for the angry posting AA, i dont post my stuff here if i dont think its worth posting.

@Nforce and bug, thx guys!

i'm not posteing angry at all, i just think that there is no need to poste work like this, it's like the very very very beginning of a artwork ( if you are gonna use it in a large art ),

well my point being that, what i sayd before, why poste stuff like this :S, makes no sence,..
why do you want people to see that u can remove zits,

(just a note), the "work" i did, was made the 5 last minuts before i went home from school, it's like the badest healing i have ever dont, but still it's pretty close to yours, and yours have that orange look to it as well !,

[Nforce]

why post this? because. Its art. thats what these forums are for. If if its not so hard for you, or w/e; for someone it may be. And if this post he made helped a newer person in any way, then thats great! And its all why were on these forums. It dosent matter what you post, someone will always beable to do it better and faster, but that dosent make me or anyone else refrain from posting our work.

I say its a good job at what he did, and thats all that needs to be said. Crit his work if you think he can improve. Dont say that his thread is useless, your just being ignorant. I think i made my point clear.

-Mark

and to Angel Eyes... I dont understand the point your making here at all... Go for a run around the block and get the steam out of your head, then come back and post.

Edited by Nforce, 19 March 2007 - 02:09 PM.

[Dance]

Then its gonna come down to a difference in oppinion im afraid, to me i find making a heavily retouched image look like its not retouched and have a quality outcome from it just slightly easier then doing the same with a damaged photo or a recomposed photo. And thats about the hardest thing i know of. Retouching its not "art" per say, its not supposed to look like art. In fact its best if people just look at it and say "What about it? Its a photo."

I can slap on effects on artsy photos and edit them to the extrordinary after removing some sitz but it doesnt have to look real when I do that kind of work. This is another school and I find it harder to do this good then doing other kinds vissual effects. So naturaly I would like to have some feedback and critesism on this kind of work aswell.

Sorry AA but pondering my purpose of posting this here wont help me progress in my work. Im no retouching expert as stated in my first post, "I learned this from no one" i experimented with techniques to recriate skin textures with the paintbrush a good while in the making of the retouch. I want to get as good at this I can call the retouch itself the "art".

If you feel like you alredy know this to the fullest and all of it is super easy to you, good. You can help me out. Thats why we are here.

Edit note: this where posted before reading the post above this. Also, no flamewars in here please

Edited by Dance, 19 March 2007 - 02:08 PM.

[N4Z.]

Dance, on Mar 19 2007, 07:06 PM, said:

Edit note: this where posted before reading the post above this. Also, no flamewars in here please

I try my best.. But it sometimes fails lol

[Nforce]

hah im not flaming, just making a point that has to be made, AA is being ignorant, and he needs to either crit the work, or not post at all.

[wm.AngelEyes]

Angel Eyes, on Mar 19 2007, 08:45 AM, said:

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hah im not flaming, just making a point that has to be made, AA is being ignorant, and he needs to either crit the work, or not post at all.

hmm, don't realy know why u posted this ?.
it's nothing amazing at all,
everybody knows healing brush and stamp tool :S,
but ehm guesse it's okay brushed :S

Critism And Comments on his work --- Nforce !!!!!

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and to Angel Eyes... I dont understand the point your making here at all... Go for a run around the block and get the steam out of your head, then come back and post.

My point being that i would never poste up a good "healing" i made, likewise i would never poste my css code from a website,
- why ?, cus i think that it's babysteps of what we call Artwork,
insted of posteing my html and css or whatever i made, i poste the final result and show what i did with it,
i'm not saying that this is a fuck up work, totaly bad and never scould have been shown, i just think that it is not what i will define as a General Arwork,
but again, it will then be a matter of taste and opinion

Dance, on Mar 19 2007, 08:06 PM, said:

Then its gonna come down to a difference in oppinion im afraid, to me i find making a heavily retouched image look like its not retouched and have a quality outcome from it just slightly easier then doing the same with a damaged photo or a recomposed photo. And thats about the hardest thing i know of. Retouching its not "art" per say, its not supposed to look like art. In fact its best if people just look at it and say "What about it? Its a photo."

I can slap on effects on artsy photos and edit them to the extrordinary after removing some sitz but it doesnt have to look real when I do that kind of work. This is another school and I find it harder to do this good then doing other kinds vissual effects. So naturaly I would like to have some feedback and critesism on this kind of work aswell.

Sorry AA but pondering my purpose of posting this here wont help me progress in my work. Im no retouching expert as stated in my first post, "I learned this from no one" i experimented with techniques to recriate skin textures with the paintbrush a good while in the making of the retouch. I want to get as good at this I can call the retouch itself the "art".

If you feel like you alredy know this to the fullest and all of it is super easy to you, good. You can help me out. Thats why we are here.

Edit note: this where posted before reading the post above this. Also, no flamewars in here please

Well, don't wanna discucce this anymore getting tired in my fingers of writeing and spelling every 2nd word wrong,
so let's take it from the top _ aiiight ?
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nice work keep it up.

Edited by Angel Eyes, 20 March 2007 - 11:51 AM.