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[SebLev]

First of all I must say I have always loved Faken's grand entry in certain threads haha... keep it up...

tgs, on Aug 9 2007, 05:22 PM, said:

albinoAZN, on Aug 9 2007, 07:56 AM, said:

tgs, on Aug 9 2007, 03:52 AM, said:

I can't imagine why you would want to put an apple os on your pc...it would probably do like the rest of their programs...install things to slow down your computer. Which, is personally, where my biggest quarrel with apple is and is the thing that has me 100% dead-set on never buying an apple product...the fact that they for some reason make it so that their programs slow down & crash pcs. It's either that they want to give you the sense that your pc isn't good, or that their programmers not very good...either way it makes the apple brand very unappealing.

When I was on PC, I used just about every mac software that was offered for it. None of the programs used very much resources. They never "caused a crash". I even used the Safari Beta for a while. You've got to realize that that was A BETA, it's allowed some bugs. Now please, pray tell, what programs of apple's "slowed down" your computer and "made it crash". Just for clarification, I'm not a fanboy, I just want to know what programs caused him such grief, because I never had it. Hell, I still run windows on Parallels because they've got some great software that mac doesn't.


NOW... As for the new iMac. I watched the keynote from the apple website. He kinda blew thru the iMac thing to get to iWork and iLife '08. But I did notice how he said the iMac was made from Aluminum, and SiO² (Glass). They designed and built it with recycling in mind. Yay apple for thinking "green".

Quicktime and iTunes, you can search the web and find out more about it.

Well that should be expected from Apple, Steve Jobs was part of the hippie era. I don't think he partook in very much, because that was the time he was first getting into computers. But recyclable products is where everyone needs to take their electronics imo.

At the past few people who are apparently angry with me, why do you have a problem with me talking about computers in a topic that was started to discuss...get this - computers. The topic may have broadened, but it's still staying pretty close to the original topic. But that's beside the point, you all have a problem with people discussing their opinions on the different computers, and will sit and whine, and try to bash those people? Sorry, but that will only get YOU in trouble on just about any forum.
I will step out of this topic and let it go back to what it started as wholly. Starting with what albinoAZN said about what the new iMac is made of. I'm sure we're not the only ones to think this is a good idea and probably a smart move for any company to make.

I just wanna say that I really don't see a difference in quicktime and iTunes on my windows side or on my OS X side... and really I don't see why they would do that deliberatly because iTunes is one of their big source of income with the iTunes store with music and movies.... and quicktime has never bin close to giving me any trouble.... I personnaly like it alot more then Windows media player which now I actualy never use....

and also yes the new iMac is awsome and it's also cool how they thought about the green earth thing... but I'm not very surprised because I read an article about how apple is very advance in taking action on global warming and has always been compared to alot of other big companies... they have drasticly changed alot of their systems to make it more earth friendly but why no one ever knew about it was because they never bragged about it...

[Ben]

lilman, on Aug 10 2007, 12:49 PM, said:

I just wanna say that I really don't see a difference in quicktime and iTunes on my windows side or on my OS X side... and really I don't see why they would do that deliberatly because iTunes is one of their big source of income with the iTunes store with music and movies.... and quicktime has never bin close to giving me any trouble.... I personnaly like it alot more then Windows media player which now I actualy never use....

I don't actually like iTunes. It makes you convert all your music to their file types, it runs a lot slower than WMP, and (as far as I know) there's no plugins for it. I guarrentee the majority of people who use iTunes (on PC) only use it because it's the only way to put songs on their iPods. My brother has an iPod and use uses it because of that reason. And it constantly crashes his computer (his computer may be outdated, but WMP can run on it perfect).

[NGPixel]

iTunes does not require you to convert all your music (all my library is in their original mp3 format). I've always use iTunes and not because I had an iPod (just got one recently, been using iTunes for years). No plugins? No need for it, I want to listen music, not see special visualizations. iTunes never crashed on my PC.

QuickTime seems to have some big issues though (especially on Vista). But don't put the blame on iTunes, it works fine.

[pirateXcore]

NGPixel, on Aug 9 2007, 10:25 PM, said:

iTunes does not require you to convert all your music (all my library is in their original mp3 format). I've always use iTunes and not because I had an iPod (just got one recently, been using iTunes for years). No plugins? No need for it, I want to listen music, not see special visualizations. iTunes never crashed on my PC.

QuickTime seems to have some big issues though (especially on Vista). But don't put the blame on iTunes, it works fine.

http://news.com.com/5208-1083_3-0.html?for...849&start=0
those are common complaints that have existed with apple products (quicktime has been the biggest bother) for years.

My biggest problem with iTunes is that you're not free to do with as you please with music YOU paid for of of the iTunes store, same with music you upload from discs. So to get your music you have to go through one of the many processes that either take up extra time, or cost you money and take up extra time.
I agree with you that the lack of plugins on iTunes is a great idea. There are a few plugins that it has though that are nice.
The other thing I don't like with iTunes is that it requires you to install QuickTime.
I'm not trying to flame/or talk down Apple, I do like a lot of what the company has to offer, but they come at you in a really bad way (imo), and their products, for the most part, have more problems than benefits.
If Apple took a more open, less sneaky, not-better-than-though approach, and offered pricing similar to that of a PC, with a similar amount of software as PCs, then I would probably make the switch.

lilman, on Aug 9 2007, 07:49 PM, said:

and also yes the new iMac is awsome and it's also cool how they thought about the green earth thing... but I'm not very surprised because I read an article about how apple is very advance in taking action on global warming and has always been compared to alot of other big companies... they have drasticly changed alot of their systems to make it more earth friendly but why no one ever knew about it was because they never bragged about it...

There has been no reason to brag about it until recently. But like I said, Steve Jobs participated in the hippie movement somewhat, so it makes sense.

Edited by tgs, 10 August 2007 - 01:40 AM.

[Hayden]

My old Dell is now a doorstop.

tgs, on Aug 10 2007, 01:37 AM, said:

NGPixel, on Aug 9 2007, 10:25 PM, said:

iTunes does not require you to convert all your music (all my library is in their original mp3 format). I've always use iTunes and not because I had an iPod (just got one recently, been using iTunes for years). No plugins? No need for it, I want to listen music, not see special visualizations. iTunes never crashed on my PC.

QuickTime seems to have some big issues though (especially on Vista). But don't put the blame on iTunes, it works fine.

http://news.com.com/5208-1083_3-0.html?for...849&start=0
those are common complaints that have existed with apple products (quicktime has been the biggest bother) for years.

My biggest problem with iTunes is that you're not free to do with as you please with music YOU paid for of of the iTunes store, same with music you upload from discs. So to get your music you have to go through one of the many processes that either take up extra time, or cost you money and take up extra time.
I agree with you that the lack of plugins on iTunes is a great idea. There are a few plugins that it has though that are nice.
The other thing I don't like with iTunes is that it requires you to install QuickTime.
I'm not trying to flame/or talk down Apple, I do like a lot of what the company has to offer, but they come at you in a really bad way (imo), and their products, for the most part, have more problems than benefits.
If Apple took a more open, less sneaky, not-better-than-though approach, and offered pricing similar to that of a PC, with a similar amount of software as PCs, then I would probably make the switch.

lilman, on Aug 9 2007, 07:49 PM, said:

and also yes the new iMac is awsome and it's also cool how they thought about the green earth thing... but I'm not very surprised because I read an article about how apple is very advance in taking action on global warming and has always been compared to alot of other big companies... they have drasticly changed alot of their systems to make it more earth friendly but why no one ever knew about it was because they never bragged about it...

There has been no reason to brag about it until recently. But like I said, Steve Jobs participated in the hippie movement somewhat, so it makes sense.

that's part of the price of buying music online. the record companies wouldn't necessarily agree to distribute their content without SOME form of control. besides, with the new iTunes, one record company is now offering it's music WITHOUT the DRM.

also, just create a playlist called 'burn', burn to a CD and rip to mp3.

Edited by SpatialVisionary, 10 August 2007 - 11:28 PM.

[pirateXcore]

SpatialVisionary, on Aug 10 2007, 09:24 PM, said:

that's part of the price of buying music online. the record companies wouldn't necessarily agree to distribute their content without SOME form of control. besides, with the new iTunes, one record company is now offering it's music WITHOUT the DRM.

also, just create a playlist called 'burn', burn to a CD and rip to mp3.

Yes, but there's other new little catches to it now.
They have the right to some control...but when they sell the music to me...i shouldn't be forced to jump through holes to do what i want with it (i'm not talking about anything illegal here either)

that is one of the things that costs you extra money and time.

[Matthew.]

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Yes, but there's other new little catches to it now.
They have the right to some control...but when they sell the music to me...i shouldn't be forced to jump through holes to do what i want with it (i'm not talking about anything illegal here either)

I hate DRM, it's one of the reasons I think I have used the iTunes store to purchase something all of twice but that's something you have to take up with the record industry, not iTunes. It's not something they have imposed.

What do you mean by new little catches?

[NGPixel]

You can't transfer the music you purchased in iTunes Music Store (that has DRM) directly on another device other than your iPod or a CD.

But there're a few workarounds to this. When I want to use that music somewhere, I simply record the WaveOut of my computer. Basically, you record the output of your soundcard. Which gives you a mp3 with the same sound quality without any protection.

Looks like the record industry have not evolved since the CD imo...

[SebLev]

tgs, on Aug 10 2007, 06:37 AM, said:

and their products, for the most part, have more problems than benefits.
If Apple took a more open, less sneaky, not-better-than-though approach, and offered pricing similar to that of a PC, with a similar amount of software as PCs, then I would probably make the switch.

First of all I'm not trying to bash you or flame you its just that your putting down a big companie all becaus of 2 little programs that you really don't need to use if you realy don't like them.... your saying that almost all of apples products have more problems then benefits.... can I ask you one thing? what other products have you tried from apple other then quicktime and iTunes?

I have tried many of apple products and I must admit that some maybe to cause a bit of problems like iTunes or quicktime but all the rest work flawlessly and as some of the greatest software and hardware I have ever used....

so please don't aim at all of apple and ALL of it's products just because you don't like 2 of their little programs... and also the main flaw you hate about iTunes is the DRM which is somethign they can't help.... if it wasnt for it you probably wouldn't be able to buy any music online from them.... it wasn't their choice....

also please stop complainning about the pricing... because mac's arent even close to way over priced.... it's not their fault your just too cheap.... and about the software thing.... they are starting to have alot of software available for them it's just hard because they werent as big befor and software companies were to lazy to re-code the hole new program for such a small percentage of users....



AND... forgot something lol..... that site link you gave.... what a load of crap... I'm sorry but thats bull.... true I know I do see those programs on my computer running but those things arnt close enough to being big enough to crash your computer... also it sounds like one of those stupid conspiracy theories people make up.... it's such a load of bull ****





ohhh and just wondering.... how the hell did this become a topic? J/W

Edited by lilman, 11 August 2007 - 11:09 AM.

[albinoAZN]

Donna probably split it. It was getting WAY outta hand.