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[Dilfill]

hello guys

I have a paper I have to write on Global Warning so I thought I would take a survey on if you think its all real or a false production. Please vote! It will help me alot!!!!

Edited by Dilfill, 03 January 2008 - 08:53 PM.

[Matthew.]

I believe in it just as much as I believe in societies inability to accept necessary responsible action

Having said that. there is a fair amount of evidence to suggest it is not but the science behind it sounds probable to me and that's what I stick by...

Edited by Matthew., 03 January 2008 - 05:18 PM.

[Bug]

Somehow Donna managed to half-convince me that it wasn't real, and was all a politics game - then some other people started to think the same thing around me... so I'm half and half not sure.

But, I'm not sure I really care anyway - the world has to end sooner or later... but it won't be by global warming

[Dilfill]

ok thanks gus keep he comments coming lol btw is it ok if I quote some of your responses in my paper?

[N4Z.]

I thought it was Global Warming

Also, Global Warming = Lovely summers for britain lol

Theres nothing we can do now, I heard that even if we did start now, its irreversible ...

[Donna]

Bug, on Jan 3 2008, 02:51 PM, said:

Somehow Donna managed to half-convince me that it wasn't real, and was all a politics game - then some other people started to think the same thing around me... so I'm half and half not sure.

Isn't it weird this topic came up after not long talking about global warming lol

My opinions are somewhat mixed but still feel it's the biggest hoax of the century, where I'm living now I've spoken to people that have lived here all their lives (70 years and more) and they all say the same thing the winters are a lot warmer than what they used to be. Well I dunno, peoples memories are not a reliable source.

Example of where I am for today where it's 1C

Average Maximum Temperature -5.8°C
Average Minimum Temperature -13.7°C
Highest Temperature (1943-2007) 6.3°C 2001
Lowest Temperature (1943-2007) -40.6°C 1950


I have the Planet Earth Series and on that they show a polar bear swimming in search of food and all the ice melting rapidly and eventually he finds some land and tries to kill a walrus to survive in turn being injured by a walrus and the bear too weak eventually lays down and dies so your lead to believe as it's still very much alive but they never show it dead. They say that it needs ice cover to get out to sea to catch managable prey, that's not global warming and polar bears are known to attack a walrus herd for food they've been doing that for yrs long before global warming was even invented lol.

It's survival not global warming. I'm no expert or scientist but it makes me annoyed when they brainwash us with info based on one bear.

And then that Al Gore fellow that states things that have never been proven so the kids in schools get brainwashed.

I dunno as I say I have mixed feelings, and we all know our animal kingdom is slowly going, it's mankind doing all the damage. Great example are garbage bears being killed but we fail to see we're invading their hunting grounds by building homes on their land and in turn we kill them because they come onto our land it just don't make sense to me.

Anyways I'll stop rambling as I dunno what I'm on about anyways.

Use at your own risk if you get bad marks or expelled I cannot be held responsible

[Dilfill]

ok Thanks alot Donna! I think I will use some of what you said. btw guys I really dont know what this is about all the Global Warming I just dont know can you guys fill me in?

[Donna]

wikipedia is your friend http://en.wikipedia..../Global_warming

[Hoot]

Global WarNing?

Here are my thoughts, if its not real whoopy for us and we don't have to worry about it. If it is real then according to the scientists we are past the point where we can stop it and we can only slow it so meh.

Hoot

[Matheus]

some stuff is real, more aren't

REAL: the ice on the poles are melting

REAL: the temperature is going up

FALSE: the oceans will not get higher levels and citys won't be flooded by water.

FALSE: the nature wont get in collapse, it will just adapt itself like it did in all history of the planet.

[Matthew.]

The 'situation' is dramatised Yes, Matheus, but I would like an explanation of this:

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FALSE: the oceans will not get higher levels and citys won't be flooded by water.

If ice caps are melting as you say, then water levels will inherently rise...it's the nature of the beast. You cannot put an icecube into a cup of water, watch it melt and expect there to be the same amount of water in the cup as before.

As for your 2nd false, I have nothing to back me up here but the argument I would make (and I say this hypothetically) is that changes in history have been over a greater time scale than what were considering if global warming does indeed exist, there is a limit to nature adaptability and indeed to an extent that statement is void by what has already happening even on a small scale.

Just my 3AM thoughts

[Hayden]

Matthew., on Jan 3 2008, 09:14 PM, said:

The 'situation' is dramatised Yes, Matheus, but I would like an explanation of this:

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FALSE: the oceans will not get higher levels and citys won't be flooded by water.

If ice caps are melting as you say, then water levels will inherently rise...it's the nature of the beast. You cannot put an icecube into a cup of water, watch it melt and expect there to be the same amount of water in the cup as before.

As for your 2nd false, I have nothing to back me up here but the argument I would make (and I say this hypothetically) is that changes in history have been over a greater time scale than what were considering if global warming does indeed exist, there is a limit to nature adaptability and indeed to an extent that statement is void by what has already happening even on a small scale.

Just my 3AM thoughts

you forget that since it is getting warmer, that which is already water is evaporating as the ice caps are melting into water and then the cycle continues.

I do buy into the idea that as our society grows more industrious, the more our environment is affecting but I don't buy into it causing our imminent end of the world because of it.

[CrazedLlama]

I dunno, im like half half

[N4Z.]

Im not a scientist in the slightest, im just a here to give my thoughts... So get comfortable, this could take a while:

Scientists are still trying to find out what causes global warming, the only thing they do know is that Greenhouse Gases, caused by us, is partly responsible. Thats like waking up one day, finding a brick in your front room, a smashed window and saying "I blame the brick", theres no solid proof that we are to blame, period. There has to be more to it than the fact we drive round in Range Rovers, drive huge tankers in the sea etc.

Remember, this is me talking about what I think, don't got being an ass and going against what I say unless you can back it up

According to WikiPedia the Greenhouse Effect was discovered in 1824 and I quote WikiPedia;

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It is the process by which absorption and emission of infrared radiation by atmospheric gases warm a planet's atmosphere and surface.

That was discovered 184 years ago, yes, greenhouse gases have grown to a larger scale since then, yes, it is still the same things causing greenhouse gases, but, who's to say that it is going to ruin our lifetime? That sounds pretty selfish I know.. I quote WikiPedia again:

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Global temperatures on both land and sea have increased by 0.75 °C (1.35 °F) relative to the period 1860–1900

Now, that may be quite warm to a polar bear, but it has taken 40 years to gain 0.75 C - So if my calculations are right, that means it will take 400 Years to get to 7.5 C heat rise... Again, im not the brightest of sparks when it comes to geography etc. but will that actually effect the ice caps?

The coldest point in the North Pole history was -68C - in 400 year it will rise to -61C.

The coldest point in the South Pole history was -89C - in 400 years it will rise to -82C.

Those are just my calculations using the coldest points calculated to date. Obviously they might not be precise but they're just some guidelines for you to get an idea.. Now the warmest day in the North pole was 15C and the South Pole is around 5C.

So, even if the poles raise another 7.5C As i calculated, is that REALLY going to make them melt?

It has to be something other than JUST greenhouse gases making the ice caps melt. I personally believe there is a whole load of causes making them melt and Im pretty sure the government know too!

I have personally always looked at Global Warming as a myth... And apparently so do these guys : http://www.junkscience.com/news/robinson.htm

Thats really all I got to say, if global warming is in fact true, it won't happen in your life time and a couple more generations of your family.. possibly and more to the point Almost CERTAINLY .. Never!

Thats my rant on the whole thing

Sources: WikiPedia, JunkScience.com, ThePoles.com, Google Weather

[evertonian7uk]

from were i am sitting right now, it isnt getting warmer lol.

look at the history of the world, it clearly shows we have warm spells and we have cold spell, its the way its always been,

global warming, imo is just another tool to use to scare us into submission, but the real question is, what is the motive behind global warming,

i watched a guy do a 20 minute speech on global warnimg, and i wasnt sure about it at all, if you like i could upload the speech for you, he had lots of cool things in there, showing ice caps etc... and the mountain in japan, how 50 years ago it was covered in ice, and now it isnt, is that proof enough, not for me,

and by the time it actaully happens, we'll living on the moon or something anyway, so who cares LOL

*its that attitude that will mess up the world, but you know what, everyone has it, one man cant make a difference, no matter what we believe, you can only make a difference when everyone does*

[Beret]

The weather is certainly changing but I personally believe we are in the tip of a long cycle. Funnily enough I was discussing this on the way home in the car lol. Anyways, you guys know what periodic graphs look like? For those of you that don't, this is a periodic graph (they are used to tell tide height, etc)


Imagine that without the math part, I beleive we are nearing the top of the curve, and it will take millions and millions of years for us to reach the bottom again, hence the Ice Age. I don't think humans could have that much of an impact on the enviroment. It is just a life cycle but people are comparing it to 70 yr old's stories, when in reality, 70 years is nothing compared to millions and millions of years. This is my theory anyway, anyone agree?

Beret.

[Jeepinator]

Does it really matter if it is real? It does not. We should look for alternative ways to power society just the same instead of using things like oil and coal that pollute the air. They are finite resources as well, so for the future, even if global warming isn't true, we need to have the technology to produce energy without producing pollutants. It doesn't matter whether you are liberal or conservative. I think we can all agree on this.

Beret, on Jan 4 2008, 08:52 AM, said:

The weather is certainly changing but I personally believe we are in the tip of a long cycle. Funnily enough I was discussing this on the way home in the car lol. Anyways, you guys know what periodic graphs look like? For those of you that don't, this is a periodic graph (they are used to tell tide height, etc)

Imagine that without the math part, I beleive we are nearing the top of the curve, and it will take millions and millions of years for us to reach the bottom again, hence the Ice Age. I don't think humans could have that much of an impact on the enviroment. It is just a life cycle but people are comparing it to 70 yr old's stories, when in reality, 70 years is nothing compared to millions and millions of years. This is my theory anyway, anyone agree?

Beret.

I think that the cycle theory is a valid one, though I don't believe that the Earth has been around for millions of years (thats another issue). In the late 1700s to mid-1800s there was a "Little Ice Age". The entire Earth was noticeably
colder to the point where many people died because of it. The picture of George Washington crossing the Delaware is a good example of it. When was the last time the Delaware River had icebergs on it? Obviously it has gotten warmer at least since the mid-1800s.

Edited by Jeepinator, 04 January 2008 - 11:59 AM.

[vvtopkar]

Jeepinator Double Posted
But ya the way I was taught was that the Earth goes through something like 40 million (thousand?) year cycles. If you look at the earth, there are ice ages that are roughly the same time apart each time.Then it gets really hot. We human beings just happen to be around during this stage of time. But I do believe part of it is our fault, but as studies show, since the 70s, when scientists realized about aerosols and other things and how they effect Global Warming, and moved to be more careful, you can now see that after 30 years, GW is slightly less.

[Dilfill]

Thanks alot guys I get it alot now! sorry for using you guys lol

[N4Z.]

Dilfill, on Jan 4 2008, 11:42 PM, said:

Thanks alot guys I get it alot now! sorry for using you guys lol

I feel so abused!

lol, no problemo!