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[bdawson]

Hello friends,
It's entirely possible that someone may have posted this question already. If they have just tear this one down and point me in the right direction.

Ok, question is... What is Art?
No, really...that's the question. Honest.

I know that those pictures hanging in a gallery are art. But what makes them so? There are probably millions of kindergarteners all across the US; most of whom like to paint and color. So why isn't what they produce art?

[Jamie Huskisson]

art is the expression of emotion through means of an activity familuar to ones self

for example, some say David Beckham in football, when he plays, its art

when people paint, they paint their pain, happiness, trouble, everything onto the canvas, thus creating art

[Atomica]

bdawson, on Mar 29 2005, 01:55 PM, said:

Hello friends,

Ok, question is... What is Art?

Jay summoned it up very well.
This whole world is art.

[ronson]

Art is what is determined by someones interpatations meaning, something could be art to one person and but crap to another. And art in a gallery is usually something that's original and obscure ect, like i remember someone cutting a cow in half and it became art!

[bdawson]

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Art is what is determined by someones interpatations meaning, something could be art to one person and but crap to another. And art in a gallery is usually something that's original and obscure ect, like i remember someone cutting a cow in half and it became art!

Butchers cut cows in half too. Are they then creating art?

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art is the expression of emotion through means of an activity familuar to ones self

for example, some say David Beckham in football, when he plays, its art

when people paint, they paint their pain, happiness, trouble, everything onto the canvas, thus creating art

But, not everyone will accept what you see as art as art themselves...

This whole question kinda fits under the same philosophy as the question "if a tree falls and no body hears it, does it still make a sound?" There is no general right or wrong answer...yet at the same time, it is entirely possible that there [i]is a definative right awnswer. (Although the right answer, again, is going to different based on perspective)

BIG P.S. Every thing that I type, is meant to be said in
Please don't think I'm being short with anyone, It's sometimes hard to capture tone of voice via written material.

[Jamie Huskisson]

i agree, not everyone will see that as a definition of art or a meaning of it

art in a way is life itself, you see your own troubles, emotions and past and relate that to the thing you see in front of you

take an example of the last supper, many people take the person at the center of the painting to be jesus, yet it is not, the reason most people believe this is because the person "is" the focus of the painting (because everything points to him, and he is in the middle), and this person has a worried look on his face. This is not the case for the person is actually painted to be jesus

people presume jesus would be worried after telling everyone someone was going to betray him, because of past relations with betrayal

see what i mean?

[Faken]

Art is whatever you want it to be.

Faken

[Faken]

Jay, on Mar 29 2005, 03:39 PM, said:

take an example of the last supper, many people take the person at the center of the painting to be jesus, yet it is not,

Until I see recognized proof saying otherwise, whoever said that is on crack.

Faken

[Jamie Huskisson]

*sits on some crack until he finds proof*



this is the actual last supper painting (And its restoration), not a re-production , not a re-make, not based on it, the actual thing

now that person in the middle, no beard (unlike the christ we see EVERYWHERE today) and the person to the left of him/her, doesn't that look like a woman too?

now, the guy in the green, a beard, long hair, looks supporting...

you telling me, theres no possible way, that it isn't jesus in the middle?

[Jaymz]

bdawson, on Mar 29 2005, 03:30 PM, said:

This whole question kinda fits under the same philosophy as the question "if a tree falls and no body hears it, does it still make a sound?" There is no general right or wrong answer

From a scientific viewpoint, the definition of "sound" is defined by the way it is percieved. Sound is the vibration of air that is then recieved by the ears of organisms. Without the ability to hear, sound does not exist. Thus, if a tree falls and nobody is around to hear it, it doesn't make a sound.

@Jay: That is a very valid point, thanks for that. I don't think it is Christ in the middle, but to the left of the central figure (our right).

[Faken]

Jay, on Mar 29 2005, 04:11 PM, said:

*sits on some crack until he finds proof*



this is the actual last supper painting (And its restoration), not a re-production , not a re-make, not based on it, the actual thing

now that person in the middle, no beard (unlike the christ we see EVERYWHERE today) and the person to the left of him/her, doesn't that look like a woman too?

now, the guy in the green, a beard, long hair, looks supporting...

you telling me, theres no possible way, that it isn't jesus in the middle?

In 5 years studying art, I've never heard of this... Also, the person in the middle is obviously offering what is laid before him. The body and blood of Christ. Sorry dude, but I really think someone was a bit high when they mentioned this one.

And the guy has a faint beard btw. it's just paler than the guy in green on the right.

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[Donna]

Never heard of this either but I just done a quick search and the recreated one is from the original done in 1497

http://www.art.com/asp/sp.asp?PD=10083629&...gine=sitematch#

Too complex for me will leave this to the guys and walks off

[Faken]

Btw, you can read all about this painting and zoom in SUPER close with a nifty high res version of it. Just go here http://milano.arounder.com/PROJECTS/SANTA_...A_DELLE_GRAZIE/ and click the painting up top for the high res version that you can zoom into.

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[Faken]

Trust me... the guy is dead wrong.

Faken

[Canen Art]

Its funny, cause I saw a similar topic on DA about this very topic. And you can try to define art as you will but when you look art up in the dictionary this is what it says:
Art - Skill, creativity

That of course comes out of the Websters Pocket size dictionary. But art being either a skill or something you created is a form of art. It may not be tasteful to others, and some may say thats not art, but in all aspects of it, it is a form of art. So weither you say this is art and thats not, is to each persons own oppion, but as far as the dictionary says.. if there is skill or creativity behind it, it must be art.

Now as far as what types of art, thats a different topic.

Best Regards,

Jason

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This topic is going to grow fast. And to some this can become a heated topic.. But remember not to take it to heart guys..

Edited by Canen Art, 29 March 2005 - 05:13 PM.

[bdawson]

First off...

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This topic is going to grow fast. And to some this can become a heated topic..  But remember not to take it to heart guys..

Well said
This is indeed a heated topic, but the original reason I posted it was not for strife and discord but to get people thinking.

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now that person in the middle, no beard (unlike the christ we see EVERYWHERE today) and the person to the left of him/her, doesn't that look like a woman too?

I can very easily see why Jay would think that. Actually, in a way you're right! The representation here may not be of Jesus. However, due to what we know about Da Vinci, it is highly unlikely that he would place someone else other than Jesus as the center of attention. And yes, the person in the middle does have a beard and does fit the image of Christ everywhere to day. But on the same hand, the image of Christ we see everywhere today is highly likely to be an inaccurate rendering of the messiah. Most likely Jesus was dark skinned with black hair and brown eyes and scruffy hair and beard.

Also, sinced we're kinda on a little side trail here, there were 12 people accounted for in the Gospel accounts and 13 people in that picture. It's possible that the 13th person (the one Jay said looked like a woman) is most likely Mary Magdalene or Mary (the mother of Jesus, although Mary would look older). The gospels only tell the readers what the writer felt was important and would probably fail to mention the obvious, that the woman who traveled w/Jesus were in the upper room too (hello, who do you think did the dishes?)

[Jaymz]

bdawson, on Mar 30 2005, 12:47 PM, said:

However, due to what we know about Da Vinci, it is highly unlikely that he would place someone else other than Jesus as the center of attention.

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It's possible that the 13th person (the one Jay said looked like a woman) is most likely Mary Magdalene or Mary (the mother of Jesus, although Mary would look older).

Okay I edited your quote to get rid of parts I wasn't referring to for easier replying. Nothing was changed, just deleted.

As to your first quotation about Davinci, Leonardo was an admitted ant-christian. His paintings are usually unorthodox, so it is possible that he altered the position of Christ, but only the master knows for sure. It's rumored that the figures are renderings of people he actually met while in Milan.

According to About.com, they are in order from left to right:

• Bartholomew, James Minor and Andrew form a group of three. All are aghast, Andrew to the point of holding his hands up in a "stop!" gesture.

• Judas, Peter and John form the next group of three. Judas, you will note, has his face in shadow and is clutching a small bag (of silver?). Peter is visibly angry and a feminine-looking John seems about to swoon.

• Christ is the calm in the midst of the storm.

• Thomas, James Major and Philip are next. Thomas is clearly agitated, James Major stunned and Philip seems to be seeking clarification.

• Matthew, Thaddeus and Simon comprise the last group of three figures. It appears that, when a situation turns ugly, Simon is the "go to" guy for explanations.

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Further Reference:

About: Is that a Man or a Woman in the Last Supper?
About: Leonardo da Vinci - The Last Supper

[Snoug]

Art is gay

[Griffin]

Snoug, on Mar 31 2005, 07:06 AM, said:

Art is gay

I dont think that was a very mature response....

Art can be anything around you. Hell you could call the process of making a pencil art.

[SHIVMOO]

EVEN a model of a dustbin bag full of rubbish has been sold for over 1000 when its art ....
all this sig making stuff is also another form of art...