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#1 Lucrative-Media

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Posted 26 July 2005 - 08:05 PM

Hey now,

What's your hourly website development rate? I have a customer who thinks that I'm charging to much! My rate is only $40 an hour. The website that I have created is over 80 pages w/custom flash, custom drop down menus, and forms. It's an e-commerce site for an Electric Scooter company that does extremely well. The guy is a good client and I want to keep his business but I also want to get paid for what it's worth. I need some opinions and want to know if Im charging to much or not enough. Here's the link to what has been completed to date:

http://www.lucrative...oters/index.htm

Keep in mind that the site is not finished and the images need to be optimized. I have stopped working on the site as of today until the client and I come to an agreement. Like I said above there is a total amount of over 80 pages.

Project total: $5K?

Thanks

Jared.

Edited by Lucrative-Media, 26 July 2005 - 08:08 PM.


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Posted 26 July 2005 - 08:16 PM

Have you gone to college to justify the hourly rate? It's almost twice the industry standard where I am...

No offense intended but $5k is wayy more than I'd pay for that site. If you scripted it from scratch, maybe $1000...

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Posted 26 July 2005 - 08:26 PM

Yes, I went to college and yes I created the site from the ground up. You think it's worth 1k completed? I must be way off, or way slow. I have about 80 hours into it and figure altleast 60 more to go and you think only 1K? How can someone make a living doing anything for that cheap?

Scratching my head. :P

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Posted 26 July 2005 - 09:15 PM

For Jaymz:I don't feel going to college has anything at all to do with what you charge, if that was the case the web would only have a few designers around. Going to design school or college means nothing anymore I see better results coming from people with no degrees.

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As for that site being 5K, I would not pay 5K for that, 2- 3K would be my limit for a shopping cart, ecommerce site. A site for what your doing shouldn't have an hourly rate attached to it, it should of been a contracted set price from the beginning. Thats how I see it.

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Posted 26 July 2005 - 10:23 PM

Personally, I have to agree with Donna. For an e-commerce website I would pay twenty-five hundred.

I will say one thing, having a degree in graphics design really helps to justify your skills.

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Posted 26 July 2005 - 11:48 PM

Thanks for the input.

My justification for the value is simply for my time. E-commerce, flash or whatever time is money and this site seems to be consuming lots of it. Yeah I built a custom template and it's used throughout but there is still unique content on each page all 80+. I'm no slouch or slow poke either, I consider myself to be quite efficient. Although I feel the job is worth 5k I have revised the bill to insure that the client stays happy. I appreciate the input received.

As far as having a college degree or not I would have to agree with Donna. From my point of view what matters most is what you can produce. No reason one should get paid more for producing the same thing as the other just because the one has a College Degree. Obviously having a degree doesn't hurt it can only help, you get my point.

By the way this is the original site:

http://www.x-tremescooters.com

Edited by Lucrative-Media, 27 July 2005 - 12:14 AM.


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Posted 26 July 2005 - 11:50 PM

we've been told in my design classes that an hourly rate is different for everyone depending on situation and cost of own living believe it or not...

Don't undersell yourself, negotiate, but be flexible...

for a large site of duplicate pages it's hard to charge more than about 20 per hour really even with schooling, but as I said, if it's a LOT of legwork and scanning, cropping, fixing, styling, editing yourself, then you CAN charge more and should. It all depends on what you do and no one can tell you by looking at the site itself.

No I personally don't think many without training can do better... I'm sorry that's my opinion only, and there ARE a few talented people out there that can, but professionals looking at a site would be able to see training, not normal Joe Blows, and it shows professionalism on the part of the company purchasing the website. Designers eyes get slowly trained over the years, and I am no expert yet, but I've seen the experts cut great looking work to crap and it makes sense.

Don't be discouraged, and know your worth. Be flexible, but offer a few fixes for them and possible solutions.

If you haven't fully been working alongside the client or getting a great amount of info about what they wanted to see, this may be the problem. You may have to redo everything if you don't give them what they want. Meetings are essential before going forward in completing your designs. Sometimes it costs you more time to try and go ahead and finish something, than to show it's process out slowly. Remember.. the client is ALWAYS right. Don't get pissy with them. grumble later.

Talk to your client, REALLY listen to what THEY want, and go over everything with them. You may have to cut your cost a little just to keep good faith... and if you are new in the industry, you have to have more than one job on the go to actually make a living until you have a solid portfolio to the point where you can refuse a crap job... so think of it as a piece for showing later.

Don't know what else to tell you, but to revisit the client and bite backa little pride and let him know that you can revamp a few times before you start charging anymore...

There are forms and legalities too that cover a designer when going into a process like this where the client signs off on offered designs and costs (as you project them) and are bound to it... which will help you in the future... do some more homework on billing a client and 'how' to charge and make your money effectively, legally, and not so painstakingly :D

kudos and good luck ;)

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Posted 27 July 2005 - 03:04 AM

Just my quick opinion but i would feel overcharged for this. If you had created a CMS for the client were they could enter there own news items and new bikes then fair enough. But it looks like you just made HTML pages, do they have to come to when they need new pages creating?

Nice site mate, but I thought industry pricing was around £15 an hour ($26)

Edited by Mooey, 27 July 2005 - 03:05 AM.


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Posted 27 July 2005 - 06:44 AM

I agree with Donna that it needs to be a set price at the bottom. I have to do all of my paid work that way just to make sure that I do not rip off my customer. How many people are ever truley 100% focused on working for the entire X amount of hours? IMO when doing freelance work you should not be payed for eating your burito :D

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Posted 27 July 2005 - 12:03 PM

i think it is very good and it is probably worth about 3 to 5 k due to the fact it is e-comerce and you have intergrated flash....my personal opinion is if they are not happy lower the price a little but i do also agree with Donna that it should have been negotiated before hand based on the complexity of the site rather than the hours spent





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